How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

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How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

Postby sacshooter on Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:13 pm

Many people often ask how many times can I refill my gun if I buy a certain tank?

This is a work in progress and I will update it from time to time.


The following fill calculations was made using the AirHog.com fill calculator

I don't think it takes into consideration air loss via the fill hose between fills when you bleed the line.

Also I haven't verified the Marauders Air reservoir size, so I used 210 cc since a user posted it on the forum.

Marauder 210cc
2500 psi - 2000 psi (charge the gun to 2500 and shoot it until it gets down to 2000 psi then refill it back up to 2500)

Scuba tanks need a visual inspection every year about $15.00 and a Hydro test every 5 years. If you don't have this no one will fill your tank. Dive shops charge from $4.00 to $10.00 per tank fill.

SCUBA with x fitting
SCUBA Pony 6CF @3000 psi 4
SCUBA Pony 13CF @3000 psi 9
SCUBA Pony 19CF @3000 psi 12
SCUBA Pony 30CF @3000 psi 20
SCUBA Pony 40CF @3000 psi 26
SCUBA 80 CF @3000 psi 53
SCUBA 100 CF @3000 psi 66

SCUBA HP Steel 3442 psi DIN
SCUBA HP 65CF @ 3442 psi 70
SCUBA HP 80CF @ 3442 psi 86
SCUBA HP 100CF @ 3442 psi 108
SCUBA HP 120CF @ 3442 psi 130
SCUBA HP 130CF @ 3442 psi 140
SCUBA HP 149CF @ 3442 psi 161

Scott Air-Pak type of SCBA tanks
Most are carbon fiber, which makes them light and easy to pack around. Most also have pressure gauges built into the tank so you know how much air you have in the tank. These are the breathing air tanks fire departments use. You may be able to get them to fill them for you, but don't count on it.

Carbon fiber tanks have a maximum service life of 15 years then they are trash, no one will fill them.
They need to be hydro tested every 5 years. a hydro test cost $22.50

Fiberglass tanks have a 15-year life span and must be hydro tested every 4 years.

Aluminum carbon wrapped tanks exist and I have one, but I don't know what the lifespan or restrictions are. I will let you know.

My local Sports Chalet stores stopped refilling them for me :evil: , so now I need to look at HP steel tanks. I found a place in Sacramento that will refill them for $18.00 (that is $13.00 more than I wanted to pay)


cga-346 (3000 psi service)
SCBA 15min 16.8@3000 psi 11
SCBA 15min 17.9@3200 psi 15

CGA-347 (4500 PSI Service
SCBA 30min 44CF@4500 psi 77
SCBA 45min 66CF@4500 psi 116
SCBA 60min 88CF@4500 psi 154


Air Hog Tanks
The Pigmee 9.5CF@4500 17
The Warthog 17CF@4500 30
Hogzilla 119CF @3500 psi 134
The Hambeast 80CF@3500 psi 90

So with all this research what will do?

I am going to use the tanks I have for now:
(2) 16.8CF @3000 psi scba pony tanks
(2) 44CF @4500psi scba tanks
(1) 66CF @4500 psi scba tank
then I think I will sell off the 44CF tanks and put the money back into a 120 or 149CF HP steel tank this way I can increase my odds of being able to get at least one tank filled where ever my shooting adventures take me.

P.S if anyone who sells portable 5000 psi gas compressors would like to sponsor this forum or work out a trade please contact me. A compressor would solve all my problems, and make my shooting friends and me very happy.

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Some of my tanks

Postby sacshooter on Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:23 pm









FYI:
CGA-347 fitting will work on a CGA-346 tank, but the CGA-346 fitting will not work on a CGA-347 tank.
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Re: How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

Postby trealtree on Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:11 pm

good info.
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Re: How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

Postby super20g on Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:16 am

Thanks for the detailed info!

This is helpful to me and I am sure many other PCP newbies.
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Re: How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

Postby sacshooter on Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:26 am

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Re: How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

Postby super20g on Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:51 am

The Marauder's air tank is 215cc, btw so those numbers are skewed a smidge.
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Re: How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

Postby sacshooter on Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:53 pm

super20g wrote:The Marauder's air tank is 215cc, btw so those numbers are skewed a smidge.


yep, I got the answer after I spent the time to make the post:

http://www.marauderairrifle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=141&p=402#p402
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Re: How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

Postby joeyt on Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:47 pm

"The Pigmee 9.5CF@4500 17"

I posted this elsewhere but tom kaye of paintball fame is selling a 4500 psi compressor for $400. he's coming out with 3k compressors too. I tried the benjamin hand pump for my marauder but (1) it quickly died and (2) if it didn't, I would have. I'm trying to decide if I should go with the 4500 or 3000 psi compressor.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=251401

sounds like this might be a pretty good solution for pcp owners: get the compressor, a small carbon fiber tank like the pigmee, and always have 17 or so very portable fills available...
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Re: How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

Postby joeyt on Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:16 am



the first batch of compressors are in the mail. Mine is due today.

now just need to get a pigmee and connector...
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Re: How many times can a big HPA tank recharge your gun?

Postby sacshooter on Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:53 am

I've been watching that, please tell us how it works out.

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