THE PUMP and how to avoid customer satisfaction problems.

[RayK]

He got that deal from a SCUBA shop who caters to divers. 30 fills goes quickly when you're diving and use the entire tank in less than an hour.

He also shoots a 177 that is tuned for 8FPE so he can shoot well over 100 shots per fill (maybe more than 150).

He is a very smart guy who figured out how to punch paper all day long on a tiny bit of air. And he does not suffer from "gotta have the most powerful gun on the block" syndrome that affects many of us - at least initially. I'm definitely keeping my 177 tuned more like his to use for plinking. One 25 is higher power (for long range squirrels out in the boonies) and the other is BLT for use with SCUBA or hand pump, but still for killing squirrels - mostly in backyard settings. I have not yet figured out what my 22 will be used for, but it is getting a regulator and a bullpup conversion from Citrus Airguns. That is by far my most expensive, but also may be my coolest airgun.

Ray

[SHOOTINIT]

over 200 now.with the regulator

[RayK]

Wow! I did not hear about the regulator. Which one did you install? Are you still at 8 FPE? What is your fill pressure and your ending pressure? Range of velocity?

Ray

[SHOOTINIT]

over 200 now.with the regulator

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[RobZfisherman]

Sandspike, your'e right, not going an extra step or improving the pump costs them far more. Most of us look to other owners/users of a product to evaluate them before purchase. Because you experience isn't different than most (or enough for me) I shied away from it or any tantalizing combo deal.
I went for the Hill and am happy despite the price difference. 2200 to 3200 in 72 or less strokes and it barely gets warm to the touch. I've already purchased a rebuild kit with dessecant and grease so my hobby won't be down for long when $#!t happens.
Like many, I like shooting more than pumping so I am half saved up for a 97 cf. "Great White" with all the bells and whistles. I happen to be surrounded by dive and paintball shops so it'll be nice to have the pump for backup and waste less time between fills.

[Sandspike]

Update. I have had my pump back from Sun for over two months. I now supercharge it with 25psi compresed air and it has performed flawlessly with an average of about 2 fills per day. Also I originally needed about 80 pumps to fill my gun. Since the supercharge, only 30. I feel that if Crosman would market a Desiccant filter with regulator and quick attachment for airhose from compressor or presurized air tank at =/- 150psi, they would sell lots more PCP guns. I average one pump per shot. That aint bad! Much better than 10 strokes on a pump gun.
Bottom line is, I'm happy with my Benji pump and don't need no HPA tank. That money is going into my next Crosman PCP gun. You don't need a Business Degree to understand the echonomic importance of that from Crosman's perspective.

[RayK]

Forget Crosman, let's get Hill to make them and sell them.

Ray

[FuzzyGrub]

The parts are all available at HF and doubt crosman would beat their prices, putting in a package. I also don't get the sense that many people are using a pump assist. The tank will make shipping costs high. Most PCP seem to be sold online vs store. I think running directly from a compressor is not that appealing. If you don't have a compressor, running to the local store to get the tank pumped up, is a pain. From when I use to do that, many pumps didn't put out enough pressure.

Even if cosman comes out with the bullet proof pump, it will take a long time for it to gain acceptance. They have such a bad rap now, hard to see them overcoming that. They announced a new turbo aire pump about two years ago, but still not available: http://www.crosman.com/gear/pcp/HPP3KU It appears to be some type of double pump with a moisture filter. It is reported as to having problems, and might not be released at all. Hard to see people passing up a hill to buy that one.

At this point, making an "idiots" guide to make pump assist system, might be a better approach. Listing exact part numbers, and assembly instructions, and use guide. We could lobby the forum owner to make it a sticky.

[Sandspike]

At this point, making an "idiots" guide to make pump assist system, might be a better approach. Listing exact part numbers, and assembly instructions, and use guide. We could lobby the forum owner to make it a sticky.

That is pretty much to be found here viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7868
It's not rocket science....just plumbing.
As a retired science teacher, I have had a belly full of mollycodling idiots.

[FuzzyGrub]

Yea, it is documented on numerous forums, and multiple threads, but still don't see allot of interest. Also agree, as a project, doesn't get much easier.